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he had one in montana, new hampshire as well. pretty much they kept it civil and certainly yesterday in montana as well. he has another one coming up. >> in fact, the president holds another one today in grand junction, colorado. it's just one of several health care-related events going on. pete stark is holding three, in fact, in california. take a look at this map. there is a lot going on. >> he is a brave man to do three. >> a lot of these town halls taking place this weekend, a map of that. let's get you to democratic congressman david scott. he is going to be holding a health fair. then who else is doing it? danny davis has a town hall meeting this morning as well and reform opponents will hold a rally in atlanta with former republican congressman dick armey. a lot on the agenda today. if you can get out to get to one, try to. in some places the emotions may be a little high. >> curious to see what will happen. representative scott as we know is the one who had the swafkt ka painted on his office after he had a shouting matc
he had one in montana, new hampshire as well. pretty much they kept it civil and certainly yesterday in montana as well. he has another one coming up. >> in fact, the president holds another one today in grand junction, colorado. it's just one of several health care-related events going on. pete stark is holding three, in fact, in california. take a look at this map. there is a lot going on. >> he is a brave man to do three. >> a lot of these town halls taking place this...
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he tells us the president is mixing business with pleasure in big sky montana. >> reporter: sure, montana is a nice place to visit this time of year. the president had more on his mind than fly fishing. he came for urgent business. buttering up the state's senior senator and chairman of the finance committee who could hold the fate of health care in his hands. >> first of all, the man working tirelessly to make sure americans get a fair deal when it comes to health care in america. give him a big round of applause. >> reporter: in private, top presidential advisors said the fight reached a critical stage. the opposition gained steam, capitalizing on anger over bail outs and debt. >> where does it state government has these powers to take over health care. >> by comparison, the president's town hall was tame. he got one pointed question that reflected the strong opposition he's facing. >> we keep getting the bull. that's all we get, bull. you can't tell us how you are going to pay for this. the only way to get that money is to raise our taxes. you said you wouldn't. >> look, you are absolu
he tells us the president is mixing business with pleasure in big sky montana. >> reporter: sure, montana is a nice place to visit this time of year. the president had more on his mind than fly fishing. he came for urgent business. buttering up the state's senior senator and chairman of the finance committee who could hold the fate of health care in his hands. >> first of all, the man working tirelessly to make sure americans get a fair deal when it comes to health care in america....
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he just passed the governor of montana there. here's john tester, the recently elected senator who was elected in 2006. and the president is hoping to get challenged a little bit directly so he can knock down some of what he thinks are myths about health care reform. they ticketed the event to try to make that happen, giving out two tickets to everybody who showed up, so there could be some mystery guests show up. this is really a critical moment for barack obama in health care reform. this is his first year to try to get this. we have seen presidents' political capital diminish after they get to their first year. they staked the success of his presidency on getting health care reform, for trying to change the underlying economic basis of the country and to resolve a problem that's bedevilled democrats for 70 years now. harry truman tried to get health care reform. franklin roosevelt tried to get it. this new, young president is working this very hard and we talked earlier in the hour to nancy-ann deparle, the director of the off
he just passed the governor of montana there. here's john tester, the recently elected senator who was elected in 2006. and the president is hoping to get challenged a little bit directly so he can knock down some of what he thinks are myths about health care reform. they ticketed the event to try to make that happen, giving out two tickets to everybody who showed up, so there could be some mystery guests show up. this is really a critical moment for barack obama in health care reform. this is...
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i want to take you to montana. this is a town hall debate that the president had. listen to randy rathy, what he had to say. >> max baucus, our senator, has been locked up in a dark room there for months now trying to come up with some money to pay for these programs and we keep getting the bull. that's all we get is bull. you can't tell us how you're going to pay for this. you're saving here, you're saving over there. going to take a little money there, take a little money there. you have no money. the only way to get that money is to raise our taxes. you said you wouldn't. max baucus says he doesn't want to put a bill out that will. but that's the only way you can do that. >> congressman, isn't he right? >> i can't believe that -- that our democracy is so fragile that people have no answer to a very serious problem would just try to create animosity and hatred rather than try to sit down and first find out what is the problem, how costly is it and what does it take in order to stop it. there's no question that almost everyone listening to this show have known som
i want to take you to montana. this is a town hall debate that the president had. listen to randy rathy, what he had to say. >> max baucus, our senator, has been locked up in a dark room there for months now trying to come up with some money to pay for these programs and we keep getting the bull. that's all we get is bull. you can't tell us how you're going to pay for this. you're saving here, you're saving over there. going to take a little money there, take a little money there. you...
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a tough time in montana. just six months ago, we were in the middle of the worst recession in our lifetimes. we were losing about 700,000 jobs each month. that's why we acted as fast as we could to pass a recovery plan to stop the free fall. i want to speak briefly about the recovery plan because that has colored how people view the health care debate. it was divided into three parts. 1/3 of that money went to tax cuts that have started showing up in the paychecks of about 400,000 working families in montana. 400,000 working families have seen their taxes reduced because of the recovery act. we also cut taxes for small businesses on the investments they make and more than 200 montana small businesses have now qualified for new loans, including ten right in the bozeman area. another third is for emergency relief. what am i talking about? unemployment insurance? we've extended benefits for 40,000 montana residents. we've made health insurance 60% cheaper for families who rely on cobra. i think as your governor
a tough time in montana. just six months ago, we were in the middle of the worst recession in our lifetimes. we were losing about 700,000 jobs each month. that's why we acted as fast as we could to pass a recovery plan to stop the free fall. i want to speak briefly about the recovery plan because that has colored how people view the health care debate. it was divided into three parts. 1/3 of that money went to tax cuts that have started showing up in the paychecks of about 400,000 working...
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she has a solid music career, doing another season of "hannah montana." doing a nicholas sparks' film, but she's still staying in the public life, um like emma watson, who's getting out of the public eye and going to college. >> let's talk about her monetary value, though. she was topped on the list as one of the richest, if not the richest teen, the brand worth a billion. does that kind of power, having the pocketbook behind you, does that mean she can do what she wants? >> not if she wants a viable career to last into her adulthood. she has a ton of money, but how will the public perceive her down the road? >> i wanted to talk about this other kid, noah lindsey cyrus? looking a little familiar. >> yes, we're seeing this hollywood cycle of child stars being perpetuated. we have the innocent younger sister, which is a big japanese animated film, and miley's little sister is starring in it. she voices this little fish that wants to be a little girl. >> well, good for her. >> one of the jonas brothers is actually voicing the little boy in that film as well.
she has a solid music career, doing another season of "hannah montana." doing a nicholas sparks' film, but she's still staying in the public life, um like emma watson, who's getting out of the public eye and going to college. >> let's talk about her monetary value, though. she was topped on the list as one of the richest, if not the richest teen, the brand worth a billion. does that kind of power, having the pocketbook behind you, does that mean she can do what she wants?...
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it is a tough time here in montana. just six months ago, we were in the middle of the wore the recession in our lifetime. we were losing about 700 jobs each month. economists feared the great coming of a great depression. we acted as fast as we could to pass a recovery plan to stop the free-fall. i want to speak briefly about the recovery plan, because that has colored how people view the health care debate. the recovery plan was divided into three parts. one-third of the money in the recovery act went to tax cuts that have already started showing up in the paychecks of about 400,000 working families in montana. 400,000 working families have seen their taxes reduced because of receipt covery act. we cut taxes for small businesses. more have qualified for new loans including ten businesses in the bozeman area. another third of the money is for emergency relief for folks who have born the brunt of this recession. what am i talking about? unemployment insurance. we have extended benefits for 40,000 montana residents. we ha
it is a tough time here in montana. just six months ago, we were in the middle of the wore the recession in our lifetime. we were losing about 700 jobs each month. economists feared the great coming of a great depression. we acted as fast as we could to pass a recovery plan to stop the free-fall. i want to speak briefly about the recovery plan, because that has colored how people view the health care debate. the recovery plan was divided into three parts. one-third of the money in the recovery...
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hosting a town hall meeting in montana today. michael vick holding a news conference today with the coach of his new team the philadelphia eagles. vick knows he did terrible things running a dogfighting ring and he wants a second chance. and on this day in 1985, a singer named michael jackson secretly outbid his friend, paul mccartney for the publishing rights to nearly every beatle's song. the beatles, of course, have produced some of the best known and best selling music in pop history. the publishing rights to tul it all, highly lucrative. in the early '60's john lennon and mccartney split ownership of. the wishing bidder michael jackson at more than 47 million. it's worth many times than that now. mccarthy was lived because he told jackson to invest in music publishing. the king of pop got a ticket to ride 24 years ago today. and now you know the news for this friday, august the 14th, 2008. i'm shepard smith. make it a great
hosting a town hall meeting in montana today. michael vick holding a news conference today with the coach of his new team the philadelphia eagles. vick knows he did terrible things running a dogfighting ring and he wants a second chance. and on this day in 1985, a singer named michael jackson secretly outbid his friend, paul mccartney for the publishing rights to nearly every beatle's song. the beatles, of course, have produced some of the best known and best selling music in pop history. the...
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to montana and colorado. last night in colorado at another townhall meeting on health care, critics were ready to pile on. >> to quote, someone, i think some of the leaders have acted stupidly. >> now, the white house also had to acknowledge that the president misspoke at his own townhall meeting, when he said that the aarp backed the plan working the way through congress. at this point, they do not. >> in washington, doug lou sader. fox news. >> why are so many of the townhall meetings getting out of hand? even though they are designed to discuss health care reform many people are using them to vent anger about other issues. experts say they are drawing people that are proud to be americans but not proud of their government. >> i think what they are react to in part is, what is happening over the past year or so, watched while the government bailed out banks and other financial institutions, when they subsidize the industry with billons of dollars. and although many economists and newspaper columnists tell u
to montana and colorado. last night in colorado at another townhall meeting on health care, critics were ready to pile on. >> to quote, someone, i think some of the leaders have acted stupidly. >> now, the white house also had to acknowledge that the president misspoke at his own townhall meeting, when he said that the aarp backed the plan working the way through congress. at this point, they do not. >> in washington, doug lou sader. fox news. >> why are so many of the...
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stops include montana and colorado. cbs news us who correspondent chip reid is traveling with the president and joins us from big sky this morning with more. good morning, chip. >> reporter: good morning, erica. the president came here to big sky country for a town hall meetin his critics were predicting that this would be the time he would finally see that anger over health care reform face to face. >> hello, montana! >> reporter: it was clear right from the start this crowd was on his side. >> welcome and thank you. i believe in reform as well. >> reporter: the president lightened the mood even more with a little humor. >> here in montana, you got bears and moose and elk and in washington you just have mostly bulls. >> reporter: but finally some anger from a man who turned the president's humor against him. >> that's all we get is bull. you can't tell us how you're going to pay for this. >> reporter: the president said he would not raise taxes on the middle class but the plan would be paid for. still looking to take o
stops include montana and colorado. cbs news us who correspondent chip reid is traveling with the president and joins us from big sky this morning with more. good morning, chip. >> reporter: good morning, erica. the president came here to big sky country for a town hall meetin his critics were predicting that this would be the time he would finally see that anger over health care reform face to face. >> hello, montana! >> reporter: it was clear right from the start this crowd...
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when he makes the post office line, he first used it in new hampshire, didn't quite come up in the montana one. i think he's going to create problems with people who work in the postal service who are worried they're going to have to do a whole bunch of lay-offs and are going to be shutting down a bunch of mini offices. the point is well taken. >> i heard some horrific number in terms of what they're in the hole. in the billions of dollars. >> reporter: absolutely. >> chuck, we'll talk to you again. it's early where you are, like 5:17 in the morning. >> you know, arizona has this weird decision where half the year on pacific time, half the time on -- >> just go get coffee. wherever you are. i'll talk to you next hour. >> fair enough. >>> almost a dozen wildfires continue to rage across california. the most troublesome of those fires is in santa cruz county south of san francisco. the fire there already charring more than ten square miles. michael okwu is live in swanton. you're with us all morning yesterday with talk about the fires. i understand that the firefighters did make some progres
when he makes the post office line, he first used it in new hampshire, didn't quite come up in the montana one. i think he's going to create problems with people who work in the postal service who are worried they're going to have to do a whole bunch of lay-offs and are going to be shutting down a bunch of mini offices. the point is well taken. >> i heard some horrific number in terms of what they're in the hole. in the billions of dollars. >> reporter: absolutely. >> chuck,...
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he was also trying to stiffen the backbone of max baucus, senior senator here in montana, chairman of the senate finance committee, to get him saying, look, i will be out there publicly, i'll do whatever it takes to sell this thing. i've got your back. now, just go write me a bill, will you? >> what is it about 5:15 in the morning, time for you to go get a cup of coffey? >> it is very early. thanks for rubbing it in. we haven't seen the glow of the sun come up. you don't know that there is a possibility. >> we invite all of you to watch meet the press tomorrow. david gregory will focus on health care reform with tom coburn, rachel mad do you, and check your local listings for that. >>> local wildfires along california. >>> a mother tasered in front of her children gets ready to sue. she explains what happens before she got zapd. >>> a blockbuster debuts on the big screen. is it worth your time? ( siren blaring ) special interest groups are trying to block progress on health care reform, derailing the debate with myths and scare tactics. desperately trying to stop you from discovering
he was also trying to stiffen the backbone of max baucus, senior senator here in montana, chairman of the senate finance committee, to get him saying, look, i will be out there publicly, i'll do whatever it takes to sell this thing. i've got your back. now, just go write me a bill, will you? >> what is it about 5:15 in the morning, time for you to go get a cup of coffey? >> it is very early. thanks for rubbing it in. we haven't seen the glow of the sun come up. you don't know that...
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this is a live picture of air force one about to depart montana for grand junction, colorado. in colorado that is where he is going to be holding a townhall meeting, a city providing medical care at a third of the cost of other cities. hundreds of people are expected at the event and to make their voices heard in demonstrations planned outside. what does the president plan to focus on in today's townhall? >> strategy has been tapping into anger against the insurance companies. yesterday he was on patients who get dropped from coverage. today it's going to be people who has insurance that gets hit by a cap on benefits and large out of pocket fees. introducing him is nathan wilkes. he has been paying $25,000 in out of pocket fees. he is battling over a benefits cap, as well. the white house says the president will continue to hold these townhall regularly this month. >> julie: what can we expect from the crowd, especially from the demonstrators. some of these have gotten pretty heated? >> the audience might be okay with shouting down their congressman but they have taken a diffe
this is a live picture of air force one about to depart montana for grand junction, colorado. in colorado that is where he is going to be holding a townhall meeting, a city providing medical care at a third of the cost of other cities. hundreds of people are expected at the event and to make their voices heard in demonstrations planned outside. what does the president plan to focus on in today's townhall? >> strategy has been tapping into anger against the insurance companies. yesterday...
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the other one, and his story is just fascinating, is in montana. and this is not a rich family, but there is some rich man in montana who pays for one kid a year -- well, for the four-year duration of school to go to saint paul school and new hampshire. you just paste the whole thing. he goes and finds some super bright kid or so this boy couldn't study languages in billings. and so he signed up and he was accepted. and then he got cold feet and turned him down. then he reconsider. is terratec never even been to see the place. they didn't know what he was up to. and so he reconsider and called him up and said no, i think i do want to do that. it's too late, but let's see what we can do for him. so he gets into hotchkiss, and the rich man puts them in hotchkiss. in one year he is boy of the year at hotchkiss. is broad gauged athletic, a great student and everything else. the next thing he is sent to france for a few months. and as his mother told me, he backed away and said wait a minute, what's this about being first in everything? i don't want to
the other one, and his story is just fascinating, is in montana. and this is not a rich family, but there is some rich man in montana who pays for one kid a year -- well, for the four-year duration of school to go to saint paul school and new hampshire. you just paste the whole thing. he goes and finds some super bright kid or so this boy couldn't study languages in billings. and so he signed up and he was accepted. and then he got cold feet and turned him down. then he reconsider. is terratec...
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by the way, virginia, colorado, and the montana -- montana. those are three states where the president will be visiting. they are key states. but me see the president later today in montana, what do you think the white house wants out of this? do they won a reprieve from new hampshire? >> i think in some ways they want to see a repeat of new hampshire which is in docile audience,ç in the wreck we screened by the white house -- indirectly screened by the white house. it is also a larger name of the democrats, taking aim on the rocky mountain area. çwinningis key, but looking ahead to the next presidential election, they will be focusing on those areas. bill: thank you. we will see what happens of those town halls. megyn: the fastest growing religion group in the u.s. is none of the above. more and more people identify themselves as a unaffiliated. does that mean that churches are giving up on expanding? anita vogel is with us now. what are churches doing? >> let's talk about the survey first. the q research group interviewed 35,000 people,
by the way, virginia, colorado, and the montana -- montana. those are three states where the president will be visiting. they are key states. but me see the president later today in montana, what do you think the white house wants out of this? do they won a reprieve from new hampshire? >> i think in some ways they want to see a repeat of new hampshire which is in docile audience,ç in the wreck we screened by the white house -- indirectly screened by the white house. it is also a larger...
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the ad targets a dozen states including montana and colorado. that's where the president next makes his case for health care change, clearly behind where he thought he would be in getting reform passed. in washington, brooke hart, wbal-tv 11 news. >> as the level of anger rises among protesters pow posing health care reform, one of the -- a 51-year-old was spotted and defanetained by washington county sheriff's deputies after he brandished a sign that said "death to obama, "and another sign said "death to michelle and her two stupid kids. " he was turned over to secret service and an investigation is underway. >> 11 news reporter kerry cavanaugh joins us with more on the crash involving michael phelps. >> hi, there. the accident happened around 9:00 last night and the scene brought much of mount vernonon to a stand still as you can imagine. two parked cars blocked traffic, but it wasn't the crash that had bystanders craning their necks. even though he wore a ravens jersey he stood a head taller than everyone else and was recognizable as michael
the ad targets a dozen states including montana and colorado. that's where the president next makes his case for health care change, clearly behind where he thought he would be in getting reform passed. in washington, brooke hart, wbal-tv 11 news. >> as the level of anger rises among protesters pow posing health care reform, one of the -- a 51-year-old was spotted and defanetained by washington county sheriff's deputies after he brandished a sign that said "death to obama, "and...
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peters day today. 70 out there in billings, montana. billings, montana. d rfo all of your weather needs you know where to go, weather.com, that will cover it for you. jenna, back to you. >>> nearly one in three americans over the age of 45 has some type of knee pain, for some it's stiffness after sitting for hours, for others, a dull ache after exercising, but what's causing it and what can you do about it? dr. victor kobe, co-chief of orthopedic surgery at northern westchester hospital in new york. >> good morning. >> we're going to break this down. knee pain comes in a number of different forms, there's osteoarthritis, overuse, tendonitis and specific injuries. i want to get to all of it and then we'll talk about treatment. let's start with osteoarthritis because as we get older undoubtedly we're going to have knee pain but why is the question, why does that happen? >> what happens is we all get knee pain from time to time, but it's when the pain becomes more persistent that usually catches our attention. there's cartilage or cushion in the knee and ove
peters day today. 70 out there in billings, montana. billings, montana. d rfo all of your weather needs you know where to go, weather.com, that will cover it for you. jenna, back to you. >>> nearly one in three americans over the age of 45 has some type of knee pain, for some it's stiffness after sitting for hours, for others, a dull ache after exercising, but what's causing it and what can you do about it? dr. victor kobe, co-chief of orthopedic surgery at northern westchester...
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>> my name is randy from montana. that i believe our constitution and it's a very important thing. i also get my news from the cable networks, because i don't like the spin that comes from the other places. >> you have to be careful about the cable networks, though. okay. go ahead. go on with the question. >> geraldo: as people vent, washington squirms, and town hall meetings erupt in impassioned debate. this is a fox news alert. >> the notion that somehow i ran for public office or member of congress are in so they can go around pulling the plug on grandma. i mean, when you start making arguments like that, that simply dishonest. >> geraldo: the midst of sometimes wild rhetoric, spreading anxiety and apparently widespread discontent, the president is continuing his now deeply personal push to get people behind his crusade to change the nation's healthcare system. and following up on tuesday's granite state stop in new hampshire and friday's big town hall meeting in the big sky state of montana, after visiting old faithful and a day of fly fishing, tonight he was in grand junction,
>> my name is randy from montana. that i believe our constitution and it's a very important thing. i also get my news from the cable networks, because i don't like the spin that comes from the other places. >> you have to be careful about the cable networks, though. okay. go ahead. go on with the question. >> geraldo: as people vent, washington squirms, and town hall meetings erupt in impassioned debate. this is a fox news alert. >> the notion that somehow i ran for...
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one in colorado, one in montana. this is a three or four-day swing out west. montana, colorado and arizona and do some sightseeing with the fo whole family. >> thanks so much. >>> coming up, he was convicted in connection with the 1988 lockerbie bombing and now, he might be set free because he's sick. but how sick is he and does it matter? >>> plus, it was only a few months that anything obama sold like hot cakes. now, there's an up tick in antiobama gear. >>> and you've seen the ads. sell your gold for cash now. but should you? you're watching "it's the economy" on msnbc. i was in the grocery store when i had a heart attack. my daughter was with me. i took a bayer aspirin out of my purse and chewed it. my doctor said the bayer aspirin saved my life. please talk to your doctor about aspirin and your heart. i'm going to be grandma for a long time. have discovered how easy it is to use legalzoom for important legal documents. at legalzoom, we'll help you incorporate your busines file a patent, make a will and more. you can complete our online questions in minute
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but even though montana had strong opinions, they didn't shout at one another. they were there to listen. that reflects the american people. and what our democracy is about and a lot more than what what's been covered on tv the last few days. that's why i thank all of you, whether you're for or against health care reform, for being here today. i'm going to take a bunch of questions. before i do, i want to talk about what health insurance reform will mean for you. 'cause there is a lot of misunderstanding. first of all, what we're proposing is a common sense set of consumer protection for people with health insurance, people with private health insurance. i expect that after reform passes, the vast majority of americans are still going to be getting their insurance from private insurers. so we've got to have some protections in place for people like nathan, people like you. so insurance companies will no longer be able to place an arbitrary cap on the amount of coverage you can receive or charge outrageous out of pocket expenses on top of your premiums. that's wh
but even though montana had strong opinions, they didn't shout at one another. they were there to listen. that reflects the american people. and what our democracy is about and a lot more than what what's been covered on tv the last few days. that's why i thank all of you, whether you're for or against health care reform, for being here today. i'm going to take a bunch of questions. before i do, i want to talk about what health insurance reform will mean for you. 'cause there is a lot of...
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and saturday when he hits the road for town hall meetings in two conservative areas of the country, montana and colorado. it won't be easy. poll numbers show 34% of americans say the loud disruptions at town hall meetings in recent days have made them sympathetic to the protesters concerns. >> supports insist there is a lot of misinformation of what might be ebb include ned plan and they argue leaving the system as it is just won't work. joel brown, cbs news, the white house. >> barack obama will hold a health care reform town hall meeting tomorrow in belgrade, montana and then another one over the weekend in grand junction, colorado. >>> u.s. marines are on the move in southern afghanistan staging an offensive in a taliban held area. the marines had to rescue families who were trapped in a compound near a village where they were fighting. they treated the wounded and moved the families to a safe area. the marines, alternate troops and afghan army forces are trying to reverse the taliban resurgence in southern afghanistan and make it safe for the civilians. >>> an iphone owner in france say
and saturday when he hits the road for town hall meetings in two conservative areas of the country, montana and colorado. it won't be easy. poll numbers show 34% of americans say the loud disruptions at town hall meetings in recent days have made them sympathetic to the protesters concerns. >> supports insist there is a lot of misinformation of what might be ebb include ned plan and they argue leaving the system as it is just won't work. joel brown, cbs news, the white house. >>...
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we have extended benefits for 40,000 montana residents. we have made health insurance 65% cheaper for families who rely on kober when they lose their job and they are out there looking for work. [applause] i think as your governor will testify for states facing historic budget shortfalls we provide assistance that is save the jobs of tens of thousands of workers who provide essential services like teachers and police officers. we have prevented painful job cuts but we have also prevented a lot of painful state and local tax increases. so, that is two-thirds of the recovery act. the last third of the recovery act is for investments that are already putting people back to work, rebuilding infrastructure. their nearly 70 transportation projects already improved here in montana. these are just fixing up the roads that run to the national forests. could just doing the work that america needs done and most of the work is being done by local businesses because that is how we are going to get this economy growing again. so there is no doubt that t
we have extended benefits for 40,000 montana residents. we have made health insurance 65% cheaper for families who rely on kober when they lose their job and they are out there looking for work. [applause] i think as your governor will testify for states facing historic budget shortfalls we provide assistance that is save the jobs of tens of thousands of workers who provide essential services like teachers and police officers. we have prevented painful job cuts but we have also prevented a lot...
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>>> en una reunión en montana el presidente obama atacó las practicas de las aseguradoras - california despachó más bomberos por los incendios que hablí gado a miles de personas a dejar sus casas en santa cruz. >>> se dio luz verde a una polémica ley de educación choques entre manifestantes y la policía. >>> el dicho que el que persevera alcanza un niño pudo entrevistar al presidente obama y lo logró. >>> este es su noticiero univisión, con jorge ramos y maría elena salinas >>> buenas noches el presidente barack obama salió al ataque para defender sus planes, para cambiar la manera como funciona el sistema de salud en este país en montana el presidente atacó a las compañías de seguros. diciendo que cobran mucho y no cubren a todas las personas. ante las fuertes criticas y el peligro que el congreso rechace sus ideas. el presidente ha salido a defender personalmente su plan. >>> el presidente obama atacó las practicas de la compañías de seguro en este foro puúblico y desmintió un principal argumento de opositores. >>> esto n es que el gobierno va a asumir el control.
>>> en una reunión en montana el presidente obama atacó las practicas de las aseguradoras - california despachó más bomberos por los incendios que hablí gado a miles de personas a dejar sus casas en santa cruz. >>> se dio luz verde a una polémica ley de educación choques entre manifestantes y la policía. >>> el dicho que el que persevera alcanza un niño pudo entrevistar al presidente obama y lo logró. >>> este es su noticiero univisión, con jorge...
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the president heads to montana today and colorado tomorrow for more town halls. meantime, a group of healthcare backers have now launched a $12 million tv ad campaign to answer the critics. and u.s. marines are gaining ground now for the battle for control of taliban-led towns in afghanistan. american and afghan troops have managed to take about half of the town, and u.s. aircraft are using missiles to attack militants. they want to secure that area ahead of next week's presidential election. >> a private funeral mass is set for today in hyannis, massachusetts, for eunice kennedy shriver. last night a prayer service was held in cape cod. shriver was the sister of the late president kennedy and the founder of the special olympics. shriver died tuesday at the age of 88. mourners praised her for her life of public service. >> she regarded the wealth she had, she'd been given t gift that she'd been given, her body. bfering her was appear asset that she was meant to use to help other people in the service of god. >> earlier in the day, hundreds of people gathered for
the president heads to montana today and colorado tomorrow for more town halls. meantime, a group of healthcare backers have now launched a $12 million tv ad campaign to answer the critics. and u.s. marines are gaining ground now for the battle for control of taliban-led towns in afghanistan. american and afghan troops have managed to take about half of the town, and u.s. aircraft are using missiles to attack militants. they want to secure that area ahead of next week's presidential election....
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the rage over health care reform. >> hello, montana! >> reporter: it was clear from the start though this crowd was on his side. >> if we can get it done this year, the american people are going to be better off. thank you, montana. >> reporter: the questions were mostly softball. >> welcome and thank you, and i believe in reform as well. >> reporter: the president even tried some humor. >> here in montana you've got bears and moose, elk, and in washington you just have mostly bull. >> reporter: then, finally, some anger from a man who turned the president's humor against him. >> we keep getting the bull, that's all we get is bull. you can't tell us how you're going to pay for this. >> reporter: it's unlikely the questioner was as pleased with the answer as the crowd was. >> 2/3 of the money we can obtain just from eliminating waste and inefficiencys. >> reporter: at one point the president even asked for a tougher question. >> i want somebody who, who's got a concern or a skeptical about health care. >> reporter: and he got an upset in
the rage over health care reform. >> hello, montana! >> reporter: it was clear from the start though this crowd was on his side. >> if we can get it done this year, the american people are going to be better off. thank you, montana. >> reporter: the questions were mostly softball. >> welcome and thank you, and i believe in reform as well. >> reporter: the president even tried some humor. >> here in montana you've got bears and moose, elk, and in...
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so just yesterday -- [ applause ] just yesterday, i held a town hall in belgrade, montana. and we had a pretty good crowd. some were big supporters of reform. some had concerns and questions. and i got tough questions. but even though montana's had strong opinions, they didn't shout at one another, they were there to listen. and that reflects the american people. and what our democracy is about, a lot more than what's been covered on tv these last few days, and that's why i thank all of you, whether you're before or against health care for being here today. i'm going to take a bunch of questions, but before i do, i wanted to talk about what health insurance reform will mean for you, because there's a lot of misunderstandings out there. first of all, what we're proposing is a common sense set of consumer protections, for people with health insurance, people with private health insurance. i expect that after reform passes, the vast majority of americans are still going to be getting their insurance from private insurers. so we have got to have some protections in place for pe
so just yesterday -- [ applause ] just yesterday, i held a town hall in belgrade, montana. and we had a pretty good crowd. some were big supporters of reform. some had concerns and questions. and i got tough questions. but even though montana's had strong opinions, they didn't shout at one another, they were there to listen. and that reflects the american people. and what our democracy is about, a lot more than what's been covered on tv these last few days, and that's why i thank all of you,...
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today in montana, he said he expects to pay for part of it by raising taxes. but only on the wealthiest americans. he also said media coverage of recent town hall protests have been overblown. obama will hold another town hall tomorrow in colorado. >>> special olympics founder eunice kennedy shriver has been laid to rest in massachusetts. shriver's grandchildren and her daughter maria shriver spoke at the private ceremony in cape cod. shriver's ailing brother, senator ted kennedy, was not able to attend. >>> lynette "jeeky" fromme was released from prison today in texas. fromme was 26 years old in 1975 when she point ad 45 caliber pistol at the president in sacramento. she received a life sentence but received time off for good conduct. coming up this half hour, warn being the threat of dog flu in our area and what you can do to prevent your pets from getting sick. four star hotel in venice makes a costly mistake. all for a romantic getaway for one euro cent. we will meet a local golfer whoa at 91 years old has just won an olympic medal. fieidch dav baker is d
today in montana, he said he expects to pay for part of it by raising taxes. but only on the wealthiest americans. he also said media coverage of recent town hall protests have been overblown. obama will hold another town hall tomorrow in colorado. >>> special olympics founder eunice kennedy shriver has been laid to rest in massachusetts. shriver's grandchildren and her daughter maria shriver spoke at the private ceremony in cape cod. shriver's ailing brother, senator ted kennedy, was...
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everybody loves montana. this is our first guest tonight joining me now, from montana, is nbc news political director and chief white house correspondent chuck todd. chuck, on a very light note tonight, it's been a long week. have a big steak on big eddie tonight, will you? you're in steak country out there. can we work that out? >> can i tell you, you bring up a good point. everybody here is in a good mood. i know -- we noticed that with -- whether they were for the president, opponents of the president. everybody does seem to be happy to live here. and if you look at the backdrop outside of the plane, behind the plane, you can see why. those mountains are very refreshing. the air is refreshing. it is kind of nice. you see why everybody's in a good mood. i have to say the governor is watching me as i do this, go ahead. >> he's known for twisting arms. we've got him on the program in a minute. are we watching a popular president in montana today? i ask because the television cameras, it looked like an amiable
everybody loves montana. this is our first guest tonight joining me now, from montana, is nbc news political director and chief white house correspondent chuck todd. chuck, on a very light note tonight, it's been a long week. have a big steak on big eddie tonight, will you? you're in steak country out there. can we work that out? >> can i tell you, you bring up a good point. everybody here is in a good mood. i know -- we noticed that with -- whether they were for the president, opponents...
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[applause] >> thank you, montana. thank you. [applause] sean: nobody in the president's make-believe world rkts they don't like guns very much in montana, do they? >> i'm a proud n.r.a. member. [applause] >> i believe in our constitution and it's a very important thing. sean: i think four people clapped. did you hear the crickets chirping even though there are people in montana who believe in second amendment rights. joining me now is karl rove. welcome to the studio. >> thanks for having me here. the hannity headquarters. sean: i like that. let's start with the poll numbers and you brought the black board and let's look. >> this is the backdrop. his job approval in the fox poll, 53-40 approve, disapprove. but among independents, 49-44 and that is a shift from a few weeks ago when it was 54-38. so in a matter of three weeks, it has declined among independents and you see that same decline in independents in health care reform. 34% approve. 49 disapprove. among independents, 29-50 and in july it was 33-43. sean: i want to stay on
[applause] >> thank you, montana. thank you. [applause] sean: nobody in the president's make-believe world rkts they don't like guns very much in montana, do they? >> i'm a proud n.r.a. member. [applause] >> i believe in our constitution and it's a very important thing. sean: i think four people clapped. did you hear the crickets chirping even though there are people in montana who believe in second amendment rights. joining me now is karl rove. welcome to the studio. >>...
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if i am in montana, i have to call somebody with a cowboy hat, absolutely. >> montana ambassadress, we are a business advisory group appointed by the governor. i would like to welcome you on behalf of the montana ambassadors. >> you make a great ambassador. >> i am glad you called me. my question has to do with the cobra question. i owned a lumberyard in a beautiful little town of 1000 people about 30 miles southwest of here. when the economy took a nosedive, i was forced to take my work force from 11 people to six. . . provide things in my responsibility on like to take care of our peeps so to speak. >> is that a montana phrase? peeps? [applause] [laughter] . . they were pretty much out on their own and i was wondering what we can do to eliminate discrimination against small employers. we are a lumberyard, we are out there lifting things all day. every one of my employees are fit. why are we able to provide a lesser level of benefits to my employees and yet an employer with 30 employers who have cubicles and they sit on their butt, they get a better rate? >> that is a pretty good ques
if i am in montana, i have to call somebody with a cowboy hat, absolutely. >> montana ambassadress, we are a business advisory group appointed by the governor. i would like to welcome you on behalf of the montana ambassadors. >> you make a great ambassador. >> i am glad you called me. my question has to do with the cobra question. i owned a lumberyard in a beautiful little town of 1000 people about 30 miles southwest of here. when the economy took a nosedive, i was forced to...
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he came close here in montana. people here on the ground are telling me they're very concerned about government spending and they want to put the brakes on this health reform effort. >>> spend a day in the tiny town of livingston, montana, and you quickly see why the president's health care push is facing big problems in big sky country -- even from those he's trying to help. >> we've got two kids. my husband is the only one working. >> macdonald is uninsured so she gets discounted dental work at the local clinic, she voted for the president and agrees there needs to be reform but is worried about the details. >> i believe there's a health care crisis, i do. do i believe that the government needs to be more involved? no. i think when they get their fingers in the pot, it just kind of turns black. >> a common sentiment here where a second obama voter told us government is too big. >> we just spent so much money on the stimulus and the tarp. then add another huge entitlement in the form of the public option. >> the m
he came close here in montana. people here on the ground are telling me they're very concerned about government spending and they want to put the brakes on this health reform effort. >>> spend a day in the tiny town of livingston, montana, and you quickly see why the president's health care push is facing big problems in big sky country -- even from those he's trying to help. >> we've got two kids. my husband is the only one working. >> macdonald is uninsured so she gets...
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he'll hold one in montana today and another one tomorrow in colorado. the president has reportedly said he wants to get a healthcare bill passed even if it costs hem a second term. >> vice president joe biden will be among those saying a final farewell to eunice kennedy shriver. the invitation-only funeral mass will be held later this morning at a massachusetts catholic church. thousands paid their respects at a public wake yesterday. shriver died tuesday at 88 years old. >> michael vick is back in the nfl. the phildelphia eagles have given vehicle a one-year deal with an option for a second. vick has not played in the nfl since 2006. the former falcons star was convicted and served time in prison for running a dogfighting operation. ought a and police are searching for the driver in a deadly hit-and-run accident on suitland parkway. this happened just after :30 this morning. police say a man was struck and killed between naylor and tan ton roads in southeast. if you were in that area, police are asking you to give them a call. >> a neighborhood in nort
he'll hold one in montana today and another one tomorrow in colorado. the president has reportedly said he wants to get a healthcare bill passed even if it costs hem a second term. >> vice president joe biden will be among those saying a final farewell to eunice kennedy shriver. the invitation-only funeral mass will be held later this morning at a massachusetts catholic church. thousands paid their respects at a public wake yesterday. shriver died tuesday at 88 years old. >> michael...
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this is an airport hangar in belgrade, montana is just over an hour. >> palin, montana. thank you. thank you. have they see. thank you so much. thank you. i am excited to be back in montana. where is michelle? michelle and the girls were supposed to go whitewater rafting. i just heard some rain to wonder not know what is going on out there. they are on their way. i want to acknowledge some outstanding public officials and friends. first of all, the man who is working tirelessly to make sure that the american people get a fair deal when it comes to health care in america. please give max baucus a big round of applause. please give max baucus a big round of applause. [applause] one of my favorite people in washington, probably because he has not gone washington, still gets the same haircut. give it up for john. [applause] your own start here in montana, the great governor of this state, please give brian schweitzer and his lovely wife, nancy, a big round of applause. [applause] the lieutenant government, john bollinger, is here. give john a big round of applause. [applause] the mayor
this is an airport hangar in belgrade, montana is just over an hour. >> palin, montana. thank you. thank you. have they see. thank you so much. thank you. i am excited to be back in montana. where is michelle? michelle and the girls were supposed to go whitewater rafting. i just heard some rain to wonder not know what is going on out there. they are on their way. i want to acknowledge some outstanding public officials and friends. first of all, the man who is working tirelessly to make...
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he is on his way to montana for another health care town hall. why montana? is there an expectation for a lively debate at this town hall? >> montana is a historical red state. there might be a bit more of an opportunity for controversy. on tuesday in portsmouth, new hampshire, he solicited more skeptical questions. we will see if that plays out. montana is also the home of max baucus. that committee will be the center of gravity. when congress comes back in the middle of september, the white house has set this deadline for the committee. if it does not, the white house has indicated, it might proceed strictly on its own without the -- without republicans on board. max baucus is a central figure in this legislative drama. rick: we want to hear from you if you have received an unsolicited email from the white house. tell us about it. for moron this, we have a couple of great guests. we're also joined by an editor for "the national review." everybody hates chain letters. >> particularly, if they are coming from the white house. rick: what do you make all of thi
he is on his way to montana for another health care town hall. why montana? is there an expectation for a lively debate at this town hall? >> montana is a historical red state. there might be a bit more of an opportunity for controversy. on tuesday in portsmouth, new hampshire, he solicited more skeptical questions. we will see if that plays out. montana is also the home of max baucus. that committee will be the center of gravity. when congress comes back in the middle of september, the...
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chuck todd joins us in a moment from montana. plus, you know those end of life counsel prognosis visions in the health care bills which republicans, like sarah palin, have distorted into death panels? it turns out republicans were actually for end of life counseling before they were against it. that's just one of the inconsistencies we'll discuss with republican john culbertsoc. >> and how far has he fallen? there is a report that john edwards is about to finally admit he is the father of his mistress's child? where would he be if edwards had not been so wisely dejected by wise democratic voters last year. >> and bill clinton has some tough words on the networks crowd on don't ask don't tell. >> and what does it mean to be palinized? ask one who says it could easily happen to her. the definition coming up on the hardball side show. >>> first president obama and his latest push for health care reform. nbc news chief white house correspondent chuck todd is traveling with the president and joining us from montana. by my count there
chuck todd joins us in a moment from montana. plus, you know those end of life counsel prognosis visions in the health care bills which republicans, like sarah palin, have distorted into death panels? it turns out republicans were actually for end of life counseling before they were against it. that's just one of the inconsistencies we'll discuss with republican john culbertsoc. >> and how far has he fallen? there is a report that john edwards is about to finally admit he is the father of...
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that happened in montana. you know my lease iris? you watch and montana. >> no, i don't. i'm a fan of her father's music. >> mike: look at a piece of tape here. she is only 16. which he pulled dancing at the teen choice awards? that's a no-no. we will show you the footage on the comeback. the flowers are blooming. the air is sweet. and zyrtec® starts... relieving my allergies... 2 hours faster than claritin®. my worst symptoms feel better, indoors and outdoors. with zyrtec®, the fastest... 24-hour allergy medicine, i promise not to wait as long to go for our ride. zyrtec® works fast, so i can love the air™. that's a-- tiny netbook. yeah, it's-- good-looking, lightweight. generally awesome. and you could just-- go online, video-chat with my cousin. this is un-- under $200. are you some kind of-- mind reader, visionary ? no, i have them. huh. the new lightweight hp mini netbook with windows and america's largest and most-reliable 3g network built in. only 199.99 with mobile broadband plans from 39.99 i am-- speechless, envious. wanna be me right now. getting one. "wha
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the president is in montana doing a bit of sightseeing. he urges americans to lower the volume in the health care fight and listen to one another. >> i know there is plenty of real concern and skepticism out there. i know that in a time of economic upheaval, the idea of change can be unsettling. i know there are some folks who believe that government should have no role at all in solving our problems. these are legitimate differences, worthy of the real discussion that america deserves. >> our senior white house correspondent, ed henry, is traveling with the president. first montana, later today, colorado. why these locations specifically? >> reporter: partially because these are not necessarily democratic areas friendly. president made a point to come to montana, colorado, in the mountain west. the democratic presidential candidates had abandoned thinking they couldn't win in previous elections. he won some of them. he is trying to translate the health reform debate. when you talk to a white house debate, you say, look, he can have a reas
the president is in montana doing a bit of sightseeing. he urges americans to lower the volume in the health care fight and listen to one another. >> i know there is plenty of real concern and skepticism out there. i know that in a time of economic upheaval, the idea of change can be unsettling. i know there are some folks who believe that government should have no role at all in solving our problems. these are legitimate differences, worthy of the real discussion that america deserves....
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, montana! >> reporter: he came on a mission to change the increasingly angry debate over health care reform, saying americans are being held hostage by insurance companies. >> it's wrong. it's bankrupting families. it's bankrupting businesses. and we are going to fix it when we pass health insurance reform this year. >> reporter: but randy wanted to know how the government would pay for it. >> and we keep getting the bull. that's all we get is bull. you can't tell us how you're going to pay for this. >> the president said 2/3 of the plan would be paid for by eliminating waste. the other third could come from raising taxes on the wealthy. >> we've got to get over this notion that somehow we can have something for nothing. but that's part of how we got into the deficit and the debt that we're in the first place. >> reporter: in past meetings across the country, members of congress have been feeling the heat. people outraged over what they see as more government intrusion into their lives. e presi
, montana! >> reporter: he came on a mission to change the increasingly angry debate over health care reform, saying americans are being held hostage by insurance companies. >> it's wrong. it's bankrupting families. it's bankrupting businesses. and we are going to fix it when we pass health insurance reform this year. >> reporter: but randy wanted to know how the government would pay for it. >> and we keep getting the bull. that's all we get is bull. you can't tell us...
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how ready is the administration as he heads to montana? how ready is he to face people that aren't his typical fans? people that really are going to disrupt the process? can they handle that? >> well, i think two weeks ago, i would have said no. i think they were caught flat-footed, that the fight over health care had become, to borrow a phrase, i think chris matthews said it first, part of the culture wars. when something gets into the culture war aspect, i'm talking about god, gays and abortion those inflaming passions in the '90s and maybe in the early part of the 21st century, i think that isn't what they expected health care to become. i think they thought it was going to be a policy debate and i think they thought it was going to be a washington debate and i think maybe they underestimated the concern that's out there, the sort of anti-government sentiment that is out there, maybe the anger at the banks and anger at wall street and all of it got conflatted. if you notice in the last two weeks you see a refinement of democratic talkin
how ready is the administration as he heads to montana? how ready is he to face people that aren't his typical fans? people that really are going to disrupt the process? can they handle that? >> well, i think two weeks ago, i would have said no. i think they were caught flat-footed, that the fight over health care had become, to borrow a phrase, i think chris matthews said it first, part of the culture wars. when something gets into the culture war aspect, i'm talking about god, gays and...
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flying to a townhall in a conservative part of montana. the audience we were told was not prescreened. the meeting was more like a campaign rally than debate over health care. the president even getting a standing ovation. we have the story covered tonight beginning with the chief white house correspondent chuck todd now joining us from belgrade, montana, chuck. >>> good evening, ann. the president finished up the first of what are going to be back to back townhall meetings out west. colorado happens tomorrow. awful this part of an opportunity to try to regain the political momentum in his push for health care reform. president obama came to the hills of montana with his entire family in tow, for what was billed as a townhall on health care but at times felt more like a campaign rally. >> hello, montana. >> reporter: president obama was reminiscent of candidate obama at times as he worked the audience. >> so i need you to keep knocking on doors, talking to your neighbors, spread the facts. >> reporter: the president did take questions from
flying to a townhall in a conservative part of montana. the audience we were told was not prescreened. the meeting was more like a campaign rally than debate over health care. the president even getting a standing ovation. we have the story covered tonight beginning with the chief white house correspondent chuck todd now joining us from belgrade, montana, chuck. >>> good evening, ann. the president finished up the first of what are going to be back to back townhall meetings out west....
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he has the latest from big sky, montana. chuck? >> good morning, lester. the president is out west for a working vacation. yesterday was town hall number one. today will be town hall number two in grand junction, colorado, all of it is an attempt to recapture political momentum to pass health care reform. president obama came to the hills of montana with his entire family in tow for what was billed as a town hall on health care but at times felt like a campaign rally. president obama was reminiscent of candidate obama at times, as he worked the audience. >> so i need you to keep knocking on doors, talking to your neighbors, spread the facts. >> reporter: the president did take questions from a mostly supportive audience, but not before offering his own media critique of how town halls have been covered this week. >> tv loves a ruckus. what you haven't seen on tv and what makes me proud, are the many constructive meetings going on all over the country. >> reporter: mindful of tuesday's relatively cane new hampshire town hall the president avoided on calling
he has the latest from big sky, montana. chuck? >> good morning, lester. the president is out west for a working vacation. yesterday was town hall number one. today will be town hall number two in grand junction, colorado, all of it is an attempt to recapture political momentum to pass health care reform. president obama came to the hills of montana with his entire family in tow for what was billed as a town hall on health care but at times felt like a campaign rally. president obama was...
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he came up short in montana but came close. much closer than many people thought, so they say look, now he wants to show that even if some people in these areas may disagree with him, he wants to go in and have a thoughtful conversation, reasoned debate in comparison to some of the town hall meetings we've seen across the country. what he's going do at the top is lay out why he thinks there needs to be insurance reform, that's his big folk occur, just to say you have insurance are doesn't mean you're safe and secure, you could lose that coverage. secondly, he'll take questions for about an hour, we're told. these tickets were distributed randomly on the internet. people were able it to sign up. they didn't have control over democrats or republicans got them. just as we saw yesterday, just one or two tough questions in montana at a town hall meeting, for people coming at it from the other side. the president could get tough questions from the other side today as well. as you noted at the to we are getting information are from wh
he came up short in montana but came close. much closer than many people thought, so they say look, now he wants to show that even if some people in these areas may disagree with him, he wants to go in and have a thoughtful conversation, reasoned debate in comparison to some of the town hall meetings we've seen across the country. what he's going do at the top is lay out why he thinks there needs to be insurance reform, that's his big folk occur, just to say you have insurance are doesn't mean...
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she wants to booed en her fan base, get past this disneyesque, hannah montana image. does this bring in more scrutiny from her? how prohibitive can that be? >> i think it's realistic of her to push things. i think last year she pushed things too far with that "vanity fair" photo shoot. within hours of that pole dance, her new song was number one at itunes, has already exceeded the sales of her last hit "the climb." >> we have seen child stars go wild in the past. is she on a different path than they were? who comes to mind? lindsay lohan. even britney to a degree. it was a rough road for a while. >> brid any rebounded. lindsey has not. it's questionable whether lindsey ever will. as miley takes that dangerous path, it may be a one-way trip. >> what do you think about her family? he dad and mom seem to be so over her. when she reaches a certain age, what can they do? >> only a year and a half left in terms of reigning her in. i think obviously they're show business savvy having been there themselves. i think that helps in this case. there's a wonderful bond between the
she wants to booed en her fan base, get past this disneyesque, hannah montana image. does this bring in more scrutiny from her? how prohibitive can that be? >> i think it's realistic of her to push things. i think last year she pushed things too far with that "vanity fair" photo shoot. within hours of that pole dance, her new song was number one at itunes, has already exceeded the sales of her last hit "the climb." >> we have seen child stars go wild in the past....